Showing posts with label Booking. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Booking. Show all posts

Monday, June 8, 2009

Roleplaying is good

Having read Jon Katz's post on Billy's blog, and having already replied to it, I read it again and figured I needed to tackle the issue on my own blog, since I tend to have the view that roleplay is good and important in leagues, and it doesn't feel like Katz does.

His first point is that if a league is small then only 2-3 people dominate. I think that would happen anyhow if a league is small, and why wouldn't a small fed have 2-3 dominating characters and the rest are left to fend for themselves? I mean what gives the guys who aren't doing lots of Rp and working hard to advance their characters the right to be in the main event and hold the big title?

His other side of the issue is that if you got to much talent then you can't establish a dominating champion...Who says you can't? Sean Stevens is a dominating champion in my eyes, I'd say he's been well established...Beyond him I'd think Marcus Westscott has been put into a good position as the #1 contender, and I feel like The First, even with him being my own character, has been pretty well established as a solid face. Anthology always get raves from people after every card, I think EPW's whole upper-midcard teir has been well cemented.

I'm not saying I think EPW is 100% Rp based...I think angles and storylines outside Rp factor into matches, I think they have to in every league, if you just judge every match based on Rp then you lack any ability to build storylines or angles that lead to payoffs, there has to be some storyline arc that you're using as a justification for getting from point A to point B.

As for the '150 pound woman' and '75 pound midget' comments, I mean, shots at Lindsay Troy and Duchess are always good fun for the whole family, but honestly, who's Rp'ing these characters on FW.com currently? This is a strawman arguement against roleplaying. I'm a belt whore of the highest order and if somebody told me that The First was to small to be world champion because they never really bought Jeff Hardy as being a legit main eventer...Then odds are I'd work out a different gimmick for that league, because I myself want to win World Titles, and I'm not going to have my character hold me back from that. Now maybe the guy who Rp's the 75 pound midget doesn't want a World Title and would rather do all kinds of zany shit in the mid-card, to each their own.

The thing about this comment is, you would be upfront with the handler that you're never putting the World Title on that character because they don't fit your mold as a champion, and that's perfect with me, handlers and fed-heads should have open lines of communication where they express their opinons about characters and what they think they should be doing and where they are going with the character.

Rp has to matter because otherwise you are encouraging people to be lazy, you're fostering this mindset that it's OK to not do a bunch of Rp's because 'we're all adults now, we have jobs, families, lives' etc, when if people do give a damn about a league, we get 20+ posts in a tag title main event on EPW. I know that Siegel and I are nuts, but Garth stumbled off the street and in his first match put in his work to hang with everyone, and Jamar didn't slack either. It was the most fun I'd had in ages in a thread.

It was like the scene in "The Crow" where the main villian, the never named Top Dollar, declares he's done with Devil's Night because it's boring and cliche, and when finally asked if he doesn't want anyone to set a fire he says what he wants is a REALLY BIG FIRE, so that the Gods will notice us again...

It was to me, a stark contrast to the EPW World Title match at Wrestleverse. I know Straw only did one Rp because he was working out an angle for Rocko to lose first, and I know Holzerman had one foot out the door of E-Fedding at the time, and Jamar tends to Rp best when pushed by his opponents (see the tag thread and the thread for First/Stevens)...But that thread kind of hurt me, because Brunk had thought about putting The First in that match for a while before deciding against it, and then to see that lackluster level of Rp...It just killed me. People tend to poo-poo E-Fedding and give the whole 'It's just a game' or 'it's a silly hobby' mentality to things, but honestly, we do spend time at this, and we have goals to achieve in leagues, and when your goal is to be EPW Champion and you see a title match where there is merely 1 post from each guy and they call it a day...It's just like "AHHHHHHHH!!!!"

Basically I think Rp should matter a lot, because it shows your level of committment and caring to your league you're in, and if you put in work, it should be rewarded at some point. Angles and Storylines have to count also, because without a story to tell the Rp is just meaningless, but the Rp should effect who the stories are told about.

And as for TEAM...TEAM is to me a kind of 'one-off' event. Like a friendly between two nations in Soccer. It is it's own seperate thing and pretty much divorced from the other leagues, the bitching and yelling and crys of 'bullshit' about TEAM are based almost totally off the fact that we have no idea what the standards for judging Rp are, because we don't know who the judges are. That's about it. I think if Adam just handled all the matches or the judging panel was public it would be a lot better.

Now I'm gonna go do something productive with my time, such as farm herbs on my blood elf rogue.

Thursday, April 16, 2009

Booking for High Stakes

When I worked out the booking for the High Stakes Battle Royal I pretty much had it down to J1D, Born Again, and Olvir. Holzerman hit a wall with Donovan and that was unfortunate since I'm a big fan of his character and would have loved to have had the problem of thinking about putting the belt on him.

In the end I was down to Born Again and J1D, and it came down to the fact that J1D had been in the league already and had gotten his character more established, and I wanted to be able to do some stuff with Born Again not having the title.

If anyone ever has any questions about my booking for LVW, my door is always open and I'm more then happy to talk shop about the league and whatever ideas you have for your character or the overall league or whatever.

Tuesday, April 14, 2009

Agg 43 mini recap

Show opens up with the Rocko-Sign and then the First/Cruise face off and beatdown of First. I wrote this, because I apparently can't get enough of beating up my own guys.

Layne Winters get a win in a well written match, Olvir's the kind of gimmick that could job 700 times and not hurt his heat at all. Not saying he *should* but he could. I dunno if Layne and First have any forthcoming meetings, but I do promise that if they do meet, the mist shall be green.

Shawn Hart then beats Frankie Scott and cuts an insane promo. The color team here really sold Anthology hard.

The Westscott/Nark Vs Stalker/Fuse match was hard hitting with the anger between Anarky and Westscott ending up being the finish. That should be a good match at the PPV.

I wrote the tag title match, so I knew what was happening there. Just trying to build up for Cruise/First for the PPV and move the tag belts.

Troy then cleans up the Forsaken's PPV matches with a segment, yay segment!

I wrote the Stevens/JA match, but didn't know about the Rocko return. I'm not a big fan of the champ running off during a non-title match. I think the heel champ pulls that spot to save the title...I'd have had Stevens get half way up the ramp went Rocko returns. Stevens runs back into the ring and eats a roll up...Or Rocko just charges him and the match gets thrown out. It's non-title and with a heel champ, that means it doesn't count.

Saturday, March 28, 2009

Owner/Handler relations and booking

I view being the owner of a league to being like the director of a movie. You have people playing parts and you have to be in charge where they are going.

First of all is figuring out how I see a character and how the handler sees them, this is where I really like to have have a talk with the handler and get their view of what the character is like and if I see them that way.

Take Jack '7-10' Hudgins for example. Barry and I came up with the gimmick just out of the blue, I pitched the idea of a bowling gimmick because Barry loves to bowl. We got into the details and '7-10' was born.

Now Barry's Rp's for 7-10 were kind of nutty, and that's the feel I had for the guy, I know Barry was aiming for a little more cynical and jaded, but my take on him was that he's basically a broken street person (Since he can't or won't pay 4.25 for a string) who's now in LVW, fighting the ghost of his double gutterball loss to Walter Ray Williams.

Barry and I had a few more talks about it and we're now pretty much on the same page, which is where you want to be. If I know how to use your character I feel safer in doing stuff with him, I may start just throwing together segments on LVW with people who's gimmicks I feel I know (Olvir, Donovan, Bellmoth, etc.)

I had the sad news that the guy who Rp'ed Rich Andrews was leaving the fed cause he didn't have time to do two leagues, which sucked because his character description for Andrews was so spot on perfect for what LVW is about, a failed E-list celeb wrestling in his high school singlet that he's 40 pounds to heavy for, that's LVW in a nutshell. He did tell me to keep using Andrews, so I'll have to add him to my list of gimmicks.

My vision of LVW is that if it was a real company, it would be about two steps below Ring of Honor, like if you really made it in LVW, you would get to another, somewhat bigger, indy fed, and from there, you might get to ROH and so on. So how I explain Olvir in EPW, well, maybe Dan Ryan and/or Lindsay Troy just decided they really liked the Viking Porn Star and had to have him.

I always want to talk to my handlers and just get info from them and let them know how I see their characters, I've been in so many leagues, almost all of them 'smacktalk' leagues where Rp is judged and you win/lose and I've heard the owner of the fed state that they didn't want people molding their characters to the ideas of the owner 'just to win'...But I mean really, in leagues like that, it's really hard to have much fun if you're constantly losing, and in reality a lot of 'improving' in Roleplaying is trying to find common ground with the person who's judging your Rp. I mean there is universal things like giving more details of your characters backstory, showing how your character reacts in certain situations, etc etc, but if the way you handle your character just doesn't jive with the owner's vision of him, then odds are you're going to lose a match or two because the owner just doesn't 'get' what you're trying to do...

Of course I say this as a guy who rammed a Garbage quoting jerk down the throats of Efedding. So what do I know?

As for booking this week. It's kind of hard when everyone does the same amount of Rp's and I don't have any real storylines to follow, so it was really a week of just trying to figure out what's best to do in each match as best I could.

I did the DQ with 7-10 and Dakota cause I really felt like Hudgins would do that, the character doesn't really get the whole wrestling thing, and I almost feel like he thinks he's being attacked or mugged, and that he'd react by grabbing his bowling ball and going to town on people. I gave Dakota the high number mostly because he did two Rp's and I'd already screwed him out of getting a pinfall victory, so I should make it up to him somehow.

Super Spade Vs J1D was kind of interesting because theyboth did one Rp and they also both had done a storyline Rp before hand, which I love, anytime people just write stuff to introduce/build a character or start an angle with them, that's great with me. In the end I just felt like Super Spade's Rp for the show had a little more weight to it then J1D's...It was close, which is why I did the 15/16 draw after the match, along with the 'controversy' over the pin.

Andrews Vs Olvir was kind of ruined by the fact that the Andrews Rp man told me he was leaving, I tried to tell the story of Andrews just out wrestling Olvir before being overpowered. It would have not been nearly as clean and crushing a result if Andrews had said he was sticking around. I gave him #2 mostly because someone has an angle with #1 and I want to build off that, my big challenge with Olvir was to give him a number that allows me to have some flexibility, since 15-16 will most likely be a J1D/Spade fight with others around, putting him a little away from them gives that storyline of the High Stakes Battle Royal to play out before Olvir comes in like a whirling dervish.

A-Rod Vs Donovan was kind of a Godbook, as the point of the A-Rod character is he's amazingly talentled but he blows it come crunch time, and thusly his ill-fated moonsault leading to defeat, Miller had already been told about my idea for A-Rod and The Captain as reguards to the High Stakes Battle Royal, so I hope there won't be any problems with the booking of the match, and again, I had to space out Donovan and Olvir, who are my two big stars at the moment.


Of course I'm going into the High Stakes Battle Royal with an open mind and if somebody comes out of left field with a angry Chicago Cubs fan who can't believe the White Sox have gotten a title and a President ahead of them, and is gonna crush LVW for the glory of the North Siders, and it just knocks my socks off (Sox?) then he'll be rocking the deep red strap with the spinner on it at the end of the night, but I have to have a plan for what I can expect for the show.

Wednesday, March 18, 2009

LVW booking and effort

As I cross my fingers and hope that either Johnny Doll or one of the 'maybes' I've gotten on the hook for LVW signs up so I can get the next card posted. I wanted to talk about my mindset for booking when it comes to LVW.

I want to book things such that the payoff is at the next 'big show', LVW isn't likely to ever go to PPV, but it will book a slightly bigger building for it's monthly big events. It's there that I want the big time events going down.

Is this to say I'm changing the LVW Title every big show? Of course not, and will I move the belt during the small shows? Yeah, I will do that now and then.

But the basic idea is the old school WWE plan of 'what do we want to do at Mania and booking backwards to get to that moment." only we're not looking quite that far ahead...But I wouldn't have a problem if somebody came to me with a really long term angle that I thought could be pulled off...

What I'm looking for is something that lets me write a bunch of segments over the course of a series of shows, giving me content I know is leading somewhere.

And just Rp...Rp'ing is good...:)

Monday, March 9, 2009

Writing Stevens/First

I've gotten some praise for the Stevens/First match, so I figured I'd just explain exactly how I tried to write the match and what kind of ideas I had.

Going into the match I really wanted Stevens to dominate the early going, no matter what booking I got from Brunk, (Well unless he said "First squashes Stevens like a bug, put yourself over huge, if you don't, you're out of the fed.") because First is supposed to not be at the level of Stevens. So the early going had to be Stevens just controlling things.

After the first missed X-Factor I wanted Stevens to go to plan B, which was to ground The First and start wearing out the smaller man, rest holds are boring as hell to watch, but you can bang them out in a couple lines and get to the next event, so it's generally not that bad to write about.

Then I had Stevens hit a series of moves to get some two counts, show that First isn't going to just die off, build a little bit of anger for Stevens that this thing isn't ending so quickly. Then we hit the turning point where The First gets control and he starts getting near falls. Now I'd have done this again no matter what the booking of the match was. (Except again if Brunk had told me "Stevens crushes First")

Now the thing that kind of blew my mind was that Brunk really wanted to get First over as a legit threat to Stevens, where as my booking was that of a pretty much scumbag cheat stealing the belt. Having not Rp'ed a strong character since Carlos Canyeta back in the days before gunpowder was discovered, this is a new idea to me. Bloodhunt was a cheat, Doc's the biggest cheat alive, the Forsaken have been pretty heelish, so like, Brunk's view of where the match would go and mine were different by a good margin. I was gunning for First to win the title, Brunk was looking to give First credibility.

Cause I never would have had First hit his finisher on Stevens and get a pin that wasn't counted by the ref, never would have crossed my mind to even think to do that. As a matter of fact my angle for the match was "If First wins the title, I want Stevens to kick out of the Cut The Thread." I was booking for a Doc-ian screwjob, Brunk was trying to get himself a contender.

Now The First (I keep switching between "First" and "The First" that's always gonna be something in my head, maybe Stevens is right and I should just call him Brian) hitting his finisher on Stevens and covering without a ref there. I felt this was out of character for The First, who views wrestling matches as a black/white 'win/lose' ideal. I was watching ECW's One Night Stand from 2006 and when RVD frog splashed Cena, he didn't cover him, he raced over to Nick Patrick to wake him up to count the fall, and I feel like First would have done the same thing, so I had to work out why he'd go for a cover, and my answer to that was to have the ref in a state of limbo, slumped against the ropes. First has to cover cause Pat Jones *could* be awake enough to count the pin. I justify First's counting of the fall himself after Jones crashed to the mat as the actions of a young gothtard who's throwing a pity party for himself after getting screwed out of the title.

Now with Brunk's booking I would have finished the match with First trying to wake up the ref and getting X-Factor'ed into a pin, because at that point we'd basically done everything that the match was designed to do, get The First over as a guy who can beat Stevens, and now Stevens retains, but Brunk put in my own angle so I run with it.

For the storyline of the match I wouldn't have used the mist/ultra-cheating cradle, but it fits First completely, cause he's totally amoral about actions in the ring, cause all that matters is winning. He doesn't plan to screwjob anyone or anything, but he just lives by the mindset that 'it's only cheating if you get caught'

When I got the match, the card was late enough already so I wasn't going to try to pick apart details of the match and try to get revisions and rewrites, cause that would have been pretty absurd, double so because I was thrilled with the booking, cause having a strong in-ring character is something I've seldom had, now I just have to resist ruining his cred with my own paranoid angles.

One final note is that Sean Stevens' T-Shirt he wore on his way to the ring was most likely the toughest thing to write in the whole match, I have become Jamarian (JN not JS) detail freak in my intros and I really hate, hate, HATE it when I write up like a paragraph or two about my own guy and then I check the profile for the opponent and it doesn't have much or anything about what kind of outfit they wear to the ring, cause I feel like such a dirtbag writing out First's facepaint/Wrist tape/hair color/whatever the hell it is, and then I write something to the effect of "MUSIC UP: "Opponent's theme" Joe Blow wearing black trunks shambles to the ring to a loud chorus of boos." I just want to write like an OORP note under their intro saying "Please forgive me, I really don't know your entrance, I'm so sorry."

Thankfully Lindsay came up with an idea for the T-Shirt and I added a little extra to it and I was able to move on. Rest assured I wouldn't have written another line of the match until I had defeated that T-Shirt, I am deeply ill.